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Day 1 · Highest Roll EV

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Question 3 of 4
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Mastery (Notion notation) ❚
Latest attempt October 22, 2026
Source OpenQuant: Highest Roll EV

Problem

Jim will roll a fair, six-sided die until he gets a 4. What is the expected value of the highest number he rolls through this process?

Solution

Since the game stops as soon as a 4 is rolled, 4 is always rolled at least once, meaning the maximum value is at least 4. Any rolls of 1, 2, or 3 have no impact on the maximum. Therefore, the problem simplifies entirely to the relative arrival order of the numbers 4, 5, and 6. By symmetry, all \(3! = 6\) relative orderings of \(\{4, 5, 6\}\) are equally likely:

  • If 4 appears before both 5 and 6 (orders: 4-5-6, 4-6-5 \(\to 2\) outcomes), neither 5 nor 6 appears before the game ends, so the maximum is 4.

  • If 5 appears before 4, but 6 appears after 4 (order: 5-4-6 \(\to 1\) outcome), a 5 was rolled but no 6 was rolled, so the maximum is 5.

  • If 6 appears before 4 (orders: 6-4-5, 6-5-4, 5-6-4 \(\to 3\) outcomes), a 6 was rolled, so the maximum is 6. Taking the expectation across these 6 outcomes: 31/6.


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